Perhaps she will also make the pilgramage to Sydney Bethel and dress in accord with the published dress code. Maybe she will even have lunch with my ex inlaws there after the official tour.
Oz
attention jws of melbourne, australia!.
i see from the news tonight that sister williams has arrived in your beautiful city to compete in the australian open.
no doubt she will follow the wts advice and keep up with her spiritual routine while away from home for work and pleasure.
Perhaps she will also make the pilgramage to Sydney Bethel and dress in accord with the published dress code. Maybe she will even have lunch with my ex inlaws there after the official tour.
Oz
yesterday at 3 am my grandfather.. 95 more or less... passed away after a heart attack... i got the call at 8 am.
so i am the oldest grandson (out of 40) he was faithful, (thats what they want to say) reality is he wasnt, he cursed, he drank, he had plenty of women during his life.. he was an elder at some point and he was ultra good with everyone.
he had a heart of gold... he treated me as his son, he never cared about my status.
sorry to hear this man in your life has gone, pleased that out of all the family, it was you that probably knew him best.
It is ironic is it not that at funerals and especially obituary's that every single person just happens to be a 'loved so and so of so and so, a devoted wife/husband etc etc''
never "she was a crazy bitch who made our lives hell thank god she's gone''
And so like human nature, all the dubs will praise your grandpa as a real good faithful jw they WILL see again, not as a the drinking cussing lady killer you knew.
Oz
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at mine they didnt ask and I didnt tell.
I said I slept with a woman to end my marriage and that was that. zip the lip.
I told them I was not sorry, it was deliberate, I had no fealings of having 'hurt jehovah' ( i said the queen of england was more relevant than him and she wasnt interested either)
They asked ME what they should do so I said ''disfellowship me''
BUT at an earlier JC they were VERY interested in me telling just how sexy a lap dance was from a stripper...
(These were men who were my friends till i left the wife 2 years before)
Oz
you know, every year i see these sort of things in the news and i like to do ten.
i normally get one or two right, but it could be because they like the others in the news are generic in nature.
anyway, here we go.. 1. i predict that congress will put a sales ban on ar15 rifles and limit magazine capacity to 5 rounds.
my predictions for 201413
1. we will still not have television
2. I will continue to live under a rock regarding news media
3. I will continue to think all is well in the world because i ignore the media
4. Big shit will happen in the world and i will be the last to know
5. My little farm will gain at least 3 more goats and maybe another sheep
6. I will still be on JWN
7. I will be more active in attacking the WT
8. I will be less active in attacking the WT
9. It will be a dry winter here
10. At the end of the year I will participate in the next years predictions too
oz :)
santa barbara county sheriff's office.
december 20, 2012. michael johnson norris 67 yrs, currently has a $250,000.00 warrant for several felonies including child molestation and attempted oral copulation of a child.
norris' last known address was in the carpinteria area.
that needs to be posted on all the pro JW facebook sites.
Lets see if they pat themselves on the back with 'jah is great' over that one.
Oz
do some of the gb consciously know the truth about the truth and they just can't say it?
or are they all still under the spell?.
how about cos or dos?
I tend to agree with Phizzy
There must be somebody higher than the GB playing puppet master, perhaps not even Jws. The GB themselves probably believe their own rhetoric. You repeat the mantra long enough and it becomes 'truth'.
And even if they do believe its wrong they will also tell themselves in the same breath that there is no where else to go. For the GB that is so very true. Other than the actual perks like maybe a better apartment and travel with expenses, they have nothing to survive on outside bethel and they know it.
Oz
"true story" the circuit overseer came to our kingdom hall and read us the riot act (local needs style) "magazines of this quality are not free, they cost money and we are not generating enough donations to defray the cost of the magazines(or running the top of the line printing presses) i get my ass out of bed to place literature in the laundray cleaning, coin opperated shops and some asshole puts his apostate stickers on our magazines.
do you know how hard it is to get up at 6:00 am and how expensive those magazines are costing the organization to print?
please stop defiling our literature, i dont post hateful stickers on your website so please leave my magazines alone.
I am getting a vibe that maybe Auntconnie is a sort of 'Nelson Birdwell' on speed....
(you do remember nelson dontcha?!)
Oz
i guess the guy really did, that he did as the bible says and that he fathered the jewish nation, fathered by extension islam and christianity as well.
maybe he really did, because well, we have that trinity of belief systems existing that we cannot deny.. pretend with for a moment that he never did though.
lets pretend that the jewish nation never came to be, that the koran thus never got written, that the ot never got written, there was no jewish saviour prophecies uttered and that humanity made it through the last 4000 years or so without either of those three and their offshoots like christianity.. what would history be like?.
I guess the guy really did, that he did as the bible says and that he fathered the Jewish nation, fathered by extension Islam and Christianity as well. Maybe he really did, because well, we have that trinity of belief systems existing that we cannot deny.
Pretend with for a moment that he never did though. Lets pretend that the Jewish nation never came to be, that the Koran thus never got written, that the OT never got written, there was no jewish saviour prophecies uttered and that humanity made it through the last 4000 years or so without either of those three and their offshoots like christianity.
What would history be like?
We would have seen many wars, just none where christians, Muslims or Jews were involved in.
We would have all the eastern and oriental religions still, and a good many of those had/have real great morals and values.
We would have still the native, aboriginal peoples and their animal worship or whatever.
I have no doubt that Rome would have been what it was, the ancient cultures with their culture and learning would still be there.
Countries may be named differently, explorers would have had to fund their own shows.
I also have no doubt that the industrial revolution would have still occured at some point in time, maybe sooner, maybe later but still would.
Modern science and medicine would have still happened.
Although all of them differ, they still have codes of conduct, laws, punishment, morals, ways to care for family, a sense of community.
My point that I hope i am making soundly is that if the big three had never come to be, the world would be essentially the same. People being born people dying, nations rising and falling, the way of humanity would still be soldiering on, some parts of the globe would be in famine others in plenty, some would be wracked by war some would be in peace. Such is the way of humanity.
My argument? The big three have not done ANYTHING significant to change the world, to make it a better place!
I argue that in fact the world might just be a better place had Abraham not existed.
Yes, if NOW the big three disapeared in a big puff of smoke or the UN crushed them all out of existance we would notice a huge vaccume. But I also think it would be very quickly filled by perhaps a fresher breath of air for humanity too.
For three religions claiming to be almighty gods chosen ones, and who have dominated so much of the worlds recorded history, they have failed mankind in such big ways they they should all close themselves down in shame.
The 'some good' thay they have done, is no greater than that of other cultures that have not been jewish, Muslim or Christian.
Oz
i noticed some posters who used to argue along christian lines, but don't do so, anymore.
granted, it's a tough line to keep to on this forum.
i would be interested to hear (read) of people who came here as believers, and then transitioned to unbeliever, and the reasons for that.
I came here as a JW apologist at the start.
I was for a good dozen or something years physically OUT but mentally IN. I left the JWs basically because i no longer wanted to be a 'christian' but still believed it ALL. I was all ''leave me alone to sin my way to armageddon where I would stand on my feet and give jehovah the finger while I watched the firey brimstone heading my way"
I came here when i was looking for information to confirm or deny that the WT would support my ex in destroying my relationship with my children. I couldn't believe thay would but found they did. So began the journey to apostate.
What followed has been a journey into total disbelief in the bible, an intense dislike of any religion esp christianity and more of a deist belief...you know, god made us and then what off to the great celestial whorehouse for a good time and forgot all about his pathetic little experiment. The more i disconected from old programming the more I was free to actually think on other possibilities and to even develop my own concepts.
Maybe I am now going to total disbelief in even that, because frankly I don't think it matters squat anyway...I am here, I have reproduced, I do my best to have a good life and thats the way it will be till I pop my clogs i guess.
I would LIKE there to be an afterlife so i can watch humanity develop over the next whatever but can't do so becuase all it would be is a construct of my own imagination anyway.
BUT in no way do I find that a problem, I see life full of richness, getting older makes you aware of what really matters. Life is about what i do everyday, not where I am going. NOTHING is missing. There is no hole in my soul that needs filling.
Thankyou JWN for removing the scales from my eyes
So thats one from believer to nothing I guess!
Oz
right now it is 5:41am here in milwaukee, i cannot sleep and it is utter torture.
ugh!.
i have to be at work at 3pm today, and i cannot sleep.
sorry but you are just an easy RV and placements on a monthly report to her.
Yeah she's nice and all, but the caring don't go past the JW mindset.
She is NOT old. Sock her between the eyes with the truth, the REAL truth.
she'll toddle off and not give you another thought.
Oz